I fully agree that the Dart Charge is not clearly marked, they should have signs to say it operates at 'any time' and there should be signs to indicate the cost. I spoke to someone at the accounts department who did confirm that Id paid but I would still have to go through the standard appeals process What a complete waste of time Luckily I had kept the receipt & it was also confirmed in my bank statement. Hello You can pay for the Dartford Crossing at certain shops. We are still being pursued by dart Charge for ever increasing amounts. Barring in mind I had the money ready to pay on the day of the journey . When we get before an audience, we throw most of our natural methods of expression to the wind, and strive after artificial effects. 11. If you have a specific vehicle, you register its number and you do not need a Tag. Hugh. Hi, I forgot to pay the crossing charge on Sunday and paid this morning, Im worried about getting a letter through the post with a charge, do you think I will get away with it? Advised them i had already done this and sent proff of payment made on the 8th of Feb. Feeling like hot potatoe here. Hi Gary, Yes, you should be okay as it is as you say the first offence of forgetting to pay. I would like to be able to put my registration in, and confirm that there are no outstanding payments or fines. We don't as a general policy investigate the solvency of companies mentioned (how likely they are to go bust), but there is a risk any company can struggle and it's rarely made public until it's too late (see the. Hi, I received today a penalty as I didnt pay the charge when driving in the Dartford tunnel and 2 weeks later using the Dartford bridge. Have you payed the fine or are you waiting too see what they say? I picked up a rental car at Leeds who did not tell me about anything ,when a warning notice came through with a penalty charge notice from dart charge, the rental company sent me on two administration letters that I was charged for at 35 each. I was extremely shocked about this, is there anything I can do to avoid paying or being charged as I did not want to use the bridge or tunnel and the time on the cameras can prove I went straight over and back without stopping? And will they accept we will not pay the penalty. I called customer service and they have no record of my crossing on Monday!! She inadvertently crossed and recrossed the dart crossing by accident. There were a number of road work signs and some divertions but no blue signs. Thanks. At the crossing itself, there is no sign bearing the actual URL for making an online payment; If other means of payment are available, I did not see any signs displaying the means of making payment by an alternative means. But somehow after months of no problems the auto top up has been deactivated and weve received the fine(s). Well why cant we have 14days to pay . Alternatively, you could A4V the PCN, meaning, that you could get them to accept for value, the fine. Yes. though they asked for this payment within 7th January (14 days from the notice), so I was only 2 days in late, Despite my willingness to pay, all my attempts failed and a simple slip of memory has cost me dear. There are no contact details on the charge certificate. On reading I can see if you dont pay you get a notice, Is there anyway I can find out if I was fined and how long will it be before I get a notice? Sorry to hear that. Been using Dart Tag for years, no problems. why cant they give us information when required. What Happens if You Don't Pay a Private Parking Ticket Go Girl. I paid 5.00 online immediately using my phone. However, its not just the misreading of number plates that causes the problem. You should have a barrier so that you could swipe a card or give people 7 days to pay. I made representations about the penalty charge to the Charging Authority concerned, within 28 days click on Start Now button If you would like to make an enquiry regarding your penalty charge notice, please use our A motorist was left fuming after being slapped with a 70 toll fine when cameras mistook his two-seater convertible for a BUS. The told me exactly how to appeal and win. Hi Pete, I am French. But I will be in touch with my MP with regards this farcical situation which has been a total waste of public monies. Fixed penalty notices are issued by the police, your local council or the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA). Used the Dartford Tunnel Sunday 24.08.15 I have three factual comments. Trademark No: UK00003340161. This is why we try to play our small part in making it more widely known. And most importantly, dont worry be happy. Now being told that the 2.50 is being held as a credit. I refuse to pay a penny!! Dont expect to get away with fines because the car is registered abroad, either, pan-European collection agents will chase you. My wife made a return trip with our boys 8 days ago and when I asked her if she had subsequently paid she said Oh ****, no, I forgot! East Midlands Airport Meet & Greet Parking, Click here for further information on starting your appeal to the independent adjudicator, https://www.gov.uk/pay-dartford-crossing-charge, Bristol Airport Drop-off & Pick Up Charges, Stansted Airport Drop-off & Pick up Charges, https://www.aph.com/community/holidays/dartford-crossing-new-charging-system-explained/#appeal, CustomerService@dartford-crossing-charge.service.gov.uk, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30633955. They said the cant help otherwise. Cheers EOS5D OK I received my CCA information back from M&S yesterday. I, too, did not have any idea of the changes. If so, you should be fine for both trips. This is the third time this month that we are caught in your ineffective and time consuming communication system. Motorists are using the system to dodge dart penalty charges theyre sent. Used crossing on Sat 27th Feb & again Sun 28th Feb. Help - ** RESOLVED ** . Local residents put up with enough and should not be put out further by the crossing. (4) If you have a Santander bank account it is a nightmare trying to use their credit card on line, I would use AMEX but gov.uk dont accept them. Hoping that I can appeal this. In the first month alone, potential fines amounted to 21 million. Appeal to the independent adjudicator: If your appeal is one of the few that are rejected, you can take it to an independent adjudicator. That said, you can use the tunnel for free at night if you cross between 10pm and 6am every day of the week. Its not the extra 3 that they asked for, its the principle of the fact that it was their computer system that told me what to pay. 1. Then input your postcode to find the nearest payment centre.Find your nearest Payzone retailer here. Heading on holiday can be both exciting and stressful in equal measure, making it easy to forget banal chores such as paying for your trip over or under the Thames Here are some suggestions to help ensure you dont come home to a big fine. Where is the harm, loss and damage? I did this right away on-line and was emailed a receipt. no invoice or payment confirmation. Here are the main Dartford Crossing payment methods. It helps when you want to dispute the penalty charge. Ease of travel should be a right. I live in Stone which is just next to the Dartford crossing so everyday on my way home I take the last turning before the toll for Swanscombe, however today there was an exceptional amount of lorrys and trucks queuing back at my turning off, I was indicating but not one of them could let me in as it was not moving. What is being done by the highways agency to address this scam Do let us know what the outcome of your representation. This is a ridiculous situation where drivers should be able to attempt to pay but have it refused if not liable. Its not a big problem but nobody knows how to solve itbrilliantI want to pay the fine but when I dont receive my PCN, how could I? 9. The fourteen days allowance for first-time crossings is an improvement, but that should be standard for all crossings. You should certainly remain exempt if you were before. Details of the success of any such actions would be interesting to know. Stephanie Slater was working at Shipways estate agency in Great Barr when she was kidnapped and held for ransom by Michael Sams in January 1992. Make sure you swerve the fine with APH.com here. Nobody seriously tries to get away without paying the small toll fee and would pay it were they reminded that theyd forgotten on a certain occasion (maybe even a little extra for the inconvenience). They must be making a fortune from forgetful people like myself or the elderly. You could be charged up to 60% more than you should. However, this is best for those who use the crossing on a regular basis, because users have to pay 10.00 to join. But its separate from any Dartford Crossing-related matter. I am happy to admit I forgot to pay (its a first offence) but by the time I got a PCN the fine had risen to 107.50 each way :(. I crossed at 5.59 and 50 seconds am the other day.how do I find out if I have to pay, sure I was before 6, but worried they will charge me! Has anyone actually gone to court with this? This system has to be one of the worst conceived forms of moronism in whole government. It seems, that I will soon receive notification of a large penalty for crossing and not paying on time. Hi, Today I found out there was a charge, found the website and called them. I wonder if there is a glitch, I have returned the pcn with copy of payment receipt so just waiting for reply. If you do not cooperate they then call out the police who assist them to rob you. FML! Please, I need your help. You will then be asked to pay the PCN. I will contact those responsible and clarify this one. However, the website is not clear if it has taken payment with relation to last nights crossing. The first hotel did not provide WiFi and so I was unable to search online. What are my rights? Changed to Dart Charge but was assured that we could still use the Tags for any hired vehicles we were using. they hadnt sent the penalty letter for the return journey or the other journey i made in July. I think making an online payment or on the phone (when it starts working again) would be the best bet. About the photo: Evidence shown in Alex Murdaugh's trial for murder shows the Colleton County property where the Murdaughs lived, at the Colleton . Only when the PCNs arrived (yes, two, though a month apart even though the southward/northward journeys were only 8 days apart) did we discover that Dart Charge was a brand name for the toll to cross the Thames. Receipt FJ No 29616281 ref 150522132752022153F7N. The lack of transparency on fines and the timing of payment is designed to maximise revenue. I see no other reason then a money making scam for using it to make more money in fines. Hi, please can you tell me where the signs were located in July of last year? Payment should be made by midnight on the day after your crossing. We will be contacting more the Agency and looking for assurances that signage will improve. A real mess that needs sorting out though. The web page did not mention any outstanding crossings, so I took this as my payment was complete. Signing up will also extend the time you have to pay from midnight the following day to seven days after using the crossing. We did manage to pay the following day (with difficulty) on my husbands phone, but we almost forgot, and I dont use a mobile, so if I had been on my own I would have been completely stuck and unable to pay. Hope that helps. Phone them on their number 0300 3000120 and pay the original fee. As we have very often in our country the toll booths are open when the traffic is to dense, which we believed was here the case too. After checking with the TfL website, entering QE II bridge, the name that is given for the crossing on Google maps, I could find no evidence for a charge. I have an account I thought I had enough to cover my return journey but when I Checked my balance I was -0.37 surely I wont get a fine will I? Its a bit sneaky, but the last time I had a fine, I paid 5 for a trial of an online solicitor called JustAnswer. Do you need more time to complete what you were doing? See the section above for more details, or join up here. Not only are there no charges displayed, but also no mention of the word Toll, just some random signs with a red circle and the letter C followed by Dart charge but nothing to say what this is, or what the mysterious Dart charge applies to not even a website! Now, today, nearly 11 months later I have had a PCN for 107.50. The lower penalty is calculated 14 days from day crossing or from day getting somme official letter about fine? We went through the crossing on holiday last week. Now I shall enjoy wasting my night trying to contact an invisible parasite who was so much easier and slave friendly to locate when paying the charge. I did call them to day trying to explain but they wanted the plate number when I dont have. In many circumstances, parking tickets are not enforceable. For example, motorists were fined because the Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) system failed to work. Might be worth looking over bank statements again for the 5. This system is completely insane. Contacting support they explained to me to first select automatic payment and do a zero payment with my new creditcard data. If this happens to you, make sure you use the telephone system which will accept foreign cards to pay the toll. We seem to be O.K. The arbitrary (and disproportionate) 35 fine is only there to generate money. All to no avail. If they reject your protest then you can use the adjudicator, but not before going through this antiquated process. I challenged them and he spoke to his supervisor who said yes I could pay the 2.50 Wtf You can appeal a Dart Charge Penalty Charge Notice within 28 days of it being issued. Can I pay now the two crossings online or I have to wait for receiving the fine? Unfortunately, many motorists were charged twice for a single crossing because tolls duplicated their payments. If you do not pay the Dart Charge by midnight the day after using the Dartford Crossing, a Penalty Charge Notice will be issued. Another confusing element is the use of Londons Congestion Charge logo- the C in a red circle. finish form. They make it difficult so that most of us just give up and pay the money. I was told that if I paid them the outstanding fees the matter would be cleared. Very poor signage and lack of information for those who are crossing for the first time. I was travelling with my family on holiday, and a part that I didnt know any thing about new rules EVERYONE PLEASE BE INFORMED, IF YOU HAVE PANICKED ABOUT THESE FINES THERE IS NO NEED IF YOU FORGOT TO PAY OR DIDNT KNOW ABOUT THE NEW CHARGES, ALL YOU HAVE TO STATE IN YOUR LETTER IS THAT YOU WISH TO PAY THE TOLL FEE AND NOT THE FINE AND IT WILL HAPPEN!!! But far more should have been done to address the change in the system. Its fine if you have permission from the owner. DC- It should arrive within 2 weeks. 'The first penalty charge notice issued for any vehicle for non-payment of the charge will offer the driver an . Am I now going to receive a fine I am gutted if this is the case it wasnt for the want of trying!! I think this is an absolute disgrace! Now I see how they make easy profit. ..DC- You have to wait for the penalty notice to see if you are offered the 2.50. Imaging the outcry if this had happened to poor British drivers in France ;). Hi Chloe I went to Bluewater shopping centre, coming from Birmingham, last Friday 6/11/15 & completely forgot to pay the congestion charge until Monday 9/11/15.I subsequently paid the 5 for rtn journey. Leaving this until you get to the airport could result in it getting forgotten as you battle your way through a busy terminal and queue-clogged check-in procedure.Pay in advance here. What is the problem with changing address?? I tried to pay via the website this evening 20.07.2015. saw the sign for this ON OUR WAY SOUTH 2 DAYS LATER, thus realised you had to pay something but not how much or method. This was on 22nd May2016 and I received a penalty on 14th Oct 2016, nearly 5 months later! So sometime in January 2020, a PCN would have been sent to the address on the V5C. Is this still in practise, Id happily pay the fee but not the fine as I tried to PST and couldnt get through. Register with DartSave: This is a company set up to prevent you being fined if you forget to pay the Dartford Crossing charge. Its my responsibility. Thanks for your post pcn and well done on taking your case forward successfully. I received an email from Hertz to tell me that they took money on my credit card to pay a parking fine. Lets see if they are human. They have asked I pay another 5 or they will charge me the fine of 70 if I delay (aka appeal). And the only offer theyve given us is to pay 35 if we pay within 14 days. Dont use any unofficial websites when making a Dartford crossing payment. Over the phone: Those without internet access will be pleased that you can pay for the charge by phone. Chiedo di rivalutare la mia sanzione e di poter abbassare la quota perch se ci sono 300.000 autisti che non pagano ci sar pure un motivo. Council parking tickets are called Penalty Charge Notices. Form 1000 dart Dart Flights Pentathlon 10 Ultra Thick 10 Micron Std Blue. As this is my first offence I think I am fine and wont get a PCN (as I did pay within the 14 days grace period.) As the van was leased the hire firm are also charging me 30 for this. i then used it on the 8th of Feb 2015. The paper work from the D of T was issued 15/06/2015. I used crossing forward and back on 21st of September but was able to pay only the next day morning. I emigrated to Switzerland and have used the crossing on average once a year for the last 35 years. How to pay penalty without any letter to do? (5) The handout sent through the post says you can pay by phone but doesnt give a phone number so if your computer is down or you dont use one you are stuffed. I have seen photographs of the sign which seems quite confusing. Read on to find out what you need to know about a Dart penalty charge notice and whether you could get out of paying it. I didnt as I checked payments made again and it clearly said 2.50 paid and have all email/receipt. Your stock number is shown on the top left of the birth certificate, common stock or preferred asset, either way you will have something they can draw from. one year on from Shane Warne's death, Daily Mail Australia remembers cricket's . Dartford will then send me PCN. Any advice on what to do would be appreciated, thank you. 3) I have been abroad for the last 12 years and just returned to London I am sure the crossing was free on Sunday before, why has this changed ? I have appealed and await the response. Although it says I can pay the following day until 12am. I used the crossing on 2nd and 14th dec and paid the 2.50 each time as requested. I checked where I was on that day & time : It was the Thames bridge at Dartford. I would get in touch with them and explain what happened. We were advised that the admin fees were not recoverable. If convicted, he faces 30 years to life in prison. Register a Dart Charge account: This will simply take cash from your account for crossings you make without the need to log on and make individual payments. Theres a great feature that will let you specify a location for a reminder to be triggered. Like previous posters, we too were caught out by the change, having the same experience of approaching the barriers coins in hand and then passing through without being stopped for payment. Crossed the bridge twice. How should I pay for a Dartford Crossing? I wrongly assumed, because I saw no signs, that because of delays and works, that people were just being let through. Just realised I missed paying the charge last Monday 27th. It would be possible for you to provide a dual system where regular users bypass the toll booth, but occasional users pull over and pay. I wanted to pay today but it transpires that I will have to wait until Penalty Charge Notice is received by car hire company who will then give dartford my address (at a cost of 42 admin fee). The reasons are as follows: Is this now common practice? My wife sent the letter to me in Spain where I was holidaying and I paid the 35 that day. BTW as for cutting crossing times, why did it take me 25 minutes on a Sunday afternoon? If the PCN is not paid, additional fines may be imposed and enforcement action may be taken, such as court summons or vehicle clamping. They must be making a lot of cash from the new booth-free toll system. Visiting Britain from abroad once a year, and never having done any payments through Payzone yet, I simply wonder how does this work do I just pop into any payzone store, tell them or type in my license plate, and pay the 2,50 cash, or do I still need any kind of account anyway? 2. Hope it helped. The reason? Any driver hoping to make a note is therefore forced to do so whilst driving, which must surely amount to the commission of a motoring offence (driving without due care and attention). People cannot travel without the stress of thinking, will I get a congestion charge, a toll charge, parking ticket, overtime parking ticket etc. I now had to wait 56 days to receive their response. Not sure explaining will help much, though, if you look at others whove tried to point out the blindingly obvious. Please let us know. There are other reasons why you could appeal the Dart charge. I now have a charge certificate saying that I never made a representation in time? Disabled badge holders are exempt from the Dartford Crossing charge. I have just today received the warning noticea day after my fine which I posted about yest.Ridiculous! After working in the Credit Card and Loan industry for more than a decade, Scott felt a desire to make a greater positive impact in the world. My friend had a dart account so paid for it there and then for the 8th of Feb crossing. This would be the worst way to earn money. Not giving you the option to pay the normal fare when its your first time? British citizens are shocked, the foreigners visiting are dismayed by our practice. If you call them, you may be able to pay over the phone then and there anyway. Could it be that rather than just send the warning letter asking for 2.50 they also send the penalty notice hoping Ill pay the by mistake? Summers was infuriated by roadside signs sending drivers online to search services such as Google for the payment website opening up the potential for scammers to take advantage of confusion over the correct website address. The charge varies depending on the type of vehicle and time of day. Dartford Crossings current guilty until proven innocent policy appears to be an EU Human Rights test case waiting to happen. The thing that annoys me is that we did set up a Dart Charge account online and one that would top up automatically when it got below 10. 6 weeks later I received a PCN for 72.50 and a warning letter saying that as it was my first offence I could pay the 2.50 charge. This starts from when the notice arrives. That said, you can use the tunnel for free at night if you cross between 10pm and 6am every day of the week. I used the crossing on the 15th of October 2017, and paid 5 for 2 crossings (1 north bound, 1 south bound) on the 16th and received a receipt via email. And yet they penalise us if we are unable to be on line. They charge an Admin fee! Put your PCN number and vehicle reg in on the next page etc. Do you know where the leglislation says that they can enforce the deadline of midnight the next day? I do not know if I have paid or not but will go to my local payment point tomorrow and pay in cash as well, then claim my money back from my credit card if they take both the payments. Is this a tax on the english again. Please, do someone of you know what can exactly happen to me The amount they have demanded in this case therefore exceeds what they are entitled to demand. can someone please if I should just wait or call them? As a non-UK resident my last journey over the Dartford Crossing was about 15 years ago when a toll system was in operation. I went to London last 11th and I returned on 12th, Ive forgotten to pay both. A few weeks later we received a letter from the Dartford Tunnel telling me that the return journey had not been paid and enclosing a fine. So it isand all perfect motion is . Today received a PCN for 70 for a hired vehicle which had a Tag fitted. I made my payment on the morning of 9/9/15 as soon as I realised but I am worried as I havent had a PCN. I have tried to pay toll charges from Saturday 18.07.2015 to be told this morning Monday 20.07.2015 An Example: Suppose you received a 60 PCN parking fine. Secondly I didnt arrive at my destination until past midnight the following day and thirdly I didnt receive my PCN until two months after returning to the uk. It's normally 2.50 per crossing for cars and either 3 or 6 for vans, buses and goods vehicles, depending on the number of axles - with the discount this drops to 2 for cars and 2.63 or 5.19 for other vehicles. Figures show 300,000 drivers failed to do this in one month alone. Now I just have sent an appeal to the EPCPLC and also to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal My wife forgot to pay the charge until a day after the midnight deadline its her second time. I also paid the standard charge but now I dont know if the First Offence grace period includes a round trip made on the same day or just 1 crossing. If you don't want to complain online, you can do it by phone or letter. As a foreigner we were not informed about the charge. We all should back up if anyone files a case against them. I would try now and wait and see. Very dodgy the way this business is run, pure money making outfit trying to scam honest people. We either forget to pay and they do not send a reminder, or we pay only to find that we should have paid twice, once for one way and once for the other. :( Thank you. Just remember this is not a customer service line, and if you take your frustration with the website out on them, they will hang up on you. I tried to enter my car registration number on the ghastly and confusing UK gov website and it was refused. At MoneyNerd, we are passionate about simplifying finance. The government removed the toll booths to prevent bottlenecks from building up. If you dont pay by midnight the day after the crossing you will face a penalty. I crossed a few weeks backI havent had any penalty notice, can i try and find out if its been lost in the post or ?? In total, 37,751 penalty charge notices (PCNs) were challenged and 30,521 of those were accepted by Highways England. No chance of that unless one is very, very patient. Like many I remember crossing the bridge last year and had forgotten to pay when I arrived home, but at some point I do remember paying them something, but just couldnt find any evidence I certainly havent received any letters which they have suggested. If youre unsure what to do, I suggest you get some legal advice from a solicitor.Thanks for reading this post on Dart Charge penalty charge notices. If this is not done, the firm will send another email with a 5.00 admin charge attached still much lower than the 70 fine the Government would levy after just one day even if you dont get the email until you get back from your holiday. With more than 42 years experience of providing airport parking and hotels, we know how important it is to offer impeccable service and provide products that travellers can trust. My advice? What do I do if the car is a mobility car for disabled as we never payed toll before . I Phoned, and adviser said he would refer it to a supervisor, but I could still travel. Unofficial siteswill simply take your money, pocket the admin charge and pay the outstanding toll on the public Dart Charge site regardless of vehicle details. Increased to 105.00 if not paid within 28 days. Penalty for failing to do so is up to 1,000. Ive got exactly same problem on 2.10.2015 received letter with two pieces of paper and envelope one with pcn dated 14/09/15 with charges but other explains pcn charges but says you can just pay 2.50 within 14days from issue date and all pcn charges will be cancelled. I therefore find that the decision to issue PCN was not a properly exercised discretionary power as allowed for by the Regulations, and therefore procedural impropriety has occurred. Hi you should be ok on at least one crossing (under the first offence ruling), but you may get a fine for the return. 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